Regen Ray: Hello soil lovers, and welcome to another episode of Secrets of the Soil, I’m regen Ray, and I’m so excited to dig deeper into the wonderful world of soils with my great friend Josh Holiday from Regen Room. Welcome to the call, Josh..
Josh: Thanks for having me, Ray. Thank you. Yeah, I’m stoked to be a part of the soil community and being able to offer up my learnings. Absolutely.
Regen Ray: It’s a gift. Hanging out with you and I’ve learnt a lot and we’re going to dig into that. So, Josh, share with our secret, our soil lovers what you’ve been up to and what the regen room’s all about.
Josh: Awesome. Yeah. So all I can tell a little story. I know I was in. Some of the people in this community might have might already know me from the conference that you guys did it farming secrets last year when I was living on Shambala Farm. So just to provide some context into how I kind of got involved with farming and soil because I never, I never really was involved in all of that stuff. Growing up, it was only in the last two years since Covid, really, that I’ve got involved and started to learn some of the secrets in the soil. And so, yeah, it was when I was I left Sydney when COVID started because I was living there for a few years and I’ve moved back up to the Sunshine Coast to Queensland, which is my home. And yeah, I moved on to a farm. And then once I was on the farm, you know, I started to learn all these different things I had just no idea about. And that kind of catapulted me forward into this, into this concept of regeneration and what that actually means and how to see that happening in the soil and how to actually regenerate the soil. And then I also have a meditation teacher and mindfulness coach. So I’ve got that kind of spirituality that I like to weave in through my work and what I found when I was on the farm farm. I was on the farm for over a year, and I found that when you do start to slow down and pay attention to the soil, pay attention to the natural environment around you, you know, there is that kind of spiritual aspect that comes up just by being surrounded by nature and all the beauty and all of the, yeah, all the animals and the birds and the noises that they make and Yeah, and then that’s kind of, you know, to give a brief snapshot. That’s that’s the last couple of years for me where I’ve kind of how I got involved in the regen room stuff. And while we’re talking now,
Regen Ray: yeah, I love that and and we have done a bit of content together, and I’ve also done some of your programs and had a really good experience during especially difficult times of COVID. And you know, when you’re creating videos and having the farm background. And once you even took us on a bit of a virtual tour carrying your laptop around, and that was always that was really fun to like, just see all the different elements and just your realization about all the connecting, moving parts that create our ecosystem and. And you mentioned the word regenerative I’m really curious because I know that you have a real spiritual side of it. And Hugo says often from farming secrets, that the best farmers are the spiritual farmers, the ones that are really connected to their land and can see all the moving parts. So from your point of view and the work that you’ve been doing on farm and with with people in a spiritual point of view, what is the word regenerative mean to you?
Josh: Yeah, that’s a good question. And I think a really important one as well, especially saying that it’s like a new term and or not new, but like it’s being used a lot more recently. And it’s kind of hot at the moment, and it’s important that we understand what it actually means. And so I’ll start with the actual definition from from the dictionary. So regeneration is a process of renewal or rebirth. So I see it as this circular process, right where it honors all of the aspects of law. So regeneration to me is a process of life happening. And so it includes the beginnings of a birth and then it includes maturity and includes death. And then it includes rebirth. So that’s why I’ve come to this conclusion that regeneration is a really spiritual kind of it would not is spiritual. It has a spiritual aspect. It’s it’s it’s a lot more than that. But it definitely honouring that the loss, the maturity, the death and the rebirth. You see that in the garden as well. You know, like you’ll see that that, you know, decomposing when you cut, cut, cut and job. We had a lot of banana trees at the farm, so we used to cut and drop when you use trimmings from the plants back into the soil to keep it healthy. And so, yeah, and that’s just like, you know, that’s a definite and that’s contributing back to the soil and the rebirth and then the health of the plant from there. So yeah, to me, it’s really that circular process. It’s about honouring all parts of life, not just life, but life, but death as well, and not just being that linear kind of pathway or that like straight straight arrow. It’s definitely made a circle like the circle of life, as as they say in The Lion King.
Regen Ray: Yeah, sounds a bit cliché, but it’s so simple, sometimes in a way that it is that and we have a lot of symbols around that circle. Icon as well, because it is that kind of closed loop and it’s like you give and you take, and our biggest thing is that when you’re in this regenerative space that you get to a point that you teach others to have that same way of thinking and whether it be technique or mindset. And I think that’s a very natural thing that happens with us in this space is that we get to this point where we just want to give because we we can see the world from a new paradigm and a new lens, and we want everyone to see it. This beautifully magical way, you know, so and so I’ve loved spending time with you and a lot of other mentors as well because it’s like, you know, I say often now, and it’s the compounding work that I’ve done over the years that, you know, regeneration is an inside in a work and you need to be a regenerative human just as much as originally farmer, for sure.
Josh: Yeah. And like you see, it gives me so much hope when when you know, when I first moved down to the farm to be honest, that some of the practices that were being is weren’t like the great and some of the soil you could just tell was a bit dry and a bit dead. And that was just what it was, you know, and we you could see that in Nikaikaisuate. So after a few months after I was there, another fella came on board and he was like a he’s like a really keen regenerative farmer from Chile, from South America. And he was so full of heart and emotion and passion. And so once he got stuck into the farm, we were able to take those areas where the soil was like dried up and a bit dead and like, bring loss to it by using compost and using other techniques and airing it out and allowing it to have that rebirth. And it was amazing to see that happen. But also amazing to see how it happened through this giving of love and like giving of heart to the soil. And then it’s almost like some of the people on the farm that were working on that certain bit of land had that like renewal as well. Like, it had that kind of like rebirth inside of them. Maybe there was a few things that needed to die like the idea that that soil was bogged down, we couldn’t fix it messes. It was like that. When we’re embodying regeneration, we were able to go like, OK, that’s an idea that just die But what can we replace that idea with what we can review that old idea with like, so then how can we like start to move around our current beliefs and our current ideas and thoughts so that we’re able to create space for new ideas and innovation? And, yeah, all that kind of juicy stuff.
Regen Ray: No, I love that. And I think it’s really important that you’ve touched on that whole community aspect. And like people coming together around soil, you know, we often have this image of like sitting around a campfire, but the life that can be rebirth in the soil and the speed at which, you know, nature can heal and repair is just, you know, astronomical. And I think a lot of people have that aha moment where they start realizing that our souls are alive. And, you know, I personally have gone down that path as well. And you know, there’s that cliché thing is like stop treating soil like dirt and dirt and soil a very different different things. And I’ve recently made a decision to buy a microscope for this actual point. I want to start seeing the life under under there, under a microscope, you know, because seeing is believing and I know that I’ve seen it through other people, but I want to start feeling it myself. So I’m super excited to get that. So that was actually my birthday gift. So it’s the first time I’ve ever really wanted something for a birthday. So I’m not big on celebrating birthdays. For me, it’s just another year round the Sun, but I was really excited about getting this microscope and going down that rabbit hole. So yeah, yeah,
Josh: I’m curious, you got a microscope. You know, I’ve always been interested in maybe getting like a telescope or like a big thing to look at the stars. Yeah, but I think it’s worth noting, like how important it is to look like down into what we’ve got here as well. Like, you know, people always like looking out at the stars, and I think this is kind of relevant as though with everyone going out into space at the moment, yeah, I’d rather keep people like, you know, there’s nothing wrong with that as well. But like, it’s important that as we look up, we also look down because I think as well, I’m not exactly sure of the statistics, but I’m pretty sure that we’re like in the middle and like, you know, as things get bigger at the scale that they get bigger, they also get smaller and you can go as far up or down. And that’s going to be equally as interesting to observe.
Regen Ray: Yeah, absolutely. And I think soil has been out of sight and out of mind for way too long. And so you can look up and see the stars and become curious. But when you look down, you don’t really see anything apart from ground, but it’s going deeper and digging deeper. And that’s why I’ve loved exploring this and creating the curiosity and the amount of research that’s coming out now. That’s, you know, creating patterns and saying, like, this is what the universe looks like. And then when you map out what the soil life looks like, there’s a lot of similarities, you know, and the links between like a tree, what a tree looks like and what our lungs look like and people overlapping these images and going, Oh my God, they’re almost, you know, identical carbon copies. And maybe it is, you know, maybe we are all connected and we are all one life and there’s a lot of patterns. And I love seeing a lot of this research that’s coming out and. You know, shedding light on stuff that maybe a few years ago is a little bit too out of the mainstream, a bit too we were. And, you know, decades ago, it’s like, Oh, don’t be crazy, you know? And so now it’s like, Oh, this makes actually a lot of common sense. And I’m curious to hear about like when you had that soil realization, do you remember that time in your journey where you just had this? And you know, I’ve felt before love of soil or experience with soil,
Josh: it would be hard to put it. I put an exact point down. Although, like I spent a lot of time in the fields at the beginning, we did a lot of weeding. And so I was spending a lot of time pulling out weeds. So that was definitely like a relationship built with the soil then. But then like watching that when Sebastian Mitchell and I came on to the farm and then it was like a three month period there where some of the some of the farm beds that we were working on really transformed from, you know, how you got those? I don’t know if you know that you got these planters they like, they kind of look like a little tea and then you use them to plant seedlings. So we would have these planters and we would plant thousands of plants every day and we got pretty fast at it. But then so you quickly would notice as well, like where the soil was good and where where it was, where it needed a bit more love. Wow. So when we began, like when I first got there, sometimes it be really hard to put this planter into the ground to make a bit of space for the seedling to go towards the end. We could put the plants or it would just slide into the like. It would just like a dream like, you know, like ice cream or something. You just slotted into this because we were using a lot of compost and we were using a lot of different techniques to really build that build the health of the soil. So, yeah, like when I know like going from that initial go to the final, oh, this is actually hard to get this plant into the ground and make space for seedling to then having that transition to wow, this just slides straight in and you can just you just tell that this is some healthy soil. So, yeah, like waiting and just being really close to being really close to the ground like we were, we did it mostly by hand. We did it all by hand, all of the stuff we planted. We did it by hand. And yeah, it was like being close to the soil and actually starting to observe it. And you could tell from one spot in the bed to maybe 10 meters down in a bed change of the consistency of the soil. So yeah, it’s like being really close to it. The time that I spent on the farm and having the opportunity to be close to. So that’s definitely just like that’s that’s that’s the moments in which some people might not get the chance to do it because like you said, sometimes I like you’re walking around and not paying attention to the food or the plants that are growing out of the ground. You’re not really spending much time there. So you don’t know what you don’t know when you actually spend a bit of time getting down in there and then you start to realize pretty quickly.
Regen Ray: Yeah, I love that chair and I really want to make the soil. Others just have that moment to think about that. If this is Josh on a farm, putting a plant into the soil, and there is moments where it’s a bit hard. I imagine the strength that we have, imagine a route, imagine a route trying to get deep into the soil and having that kind of compaction, you know, and then just hearing the way that you’ve explained that, you know, months later, the soil profile was so different that it was easy and it was like, you know, like smooth ice cream. Like, that’s like, imagine a route now being able to flow into that soil that is just as smooth as soft ice cream like, I think that’s a really important distinction. And I’ve loved, you know, getting your emails where you reflect and say, Hey, I was waiting today, and this made me realize about this and I was doing this on the farm. And I had this realization that in a business environment or mindset environment, they’re so linked. And I’ve really enjoyed seeing that experience together, you know, and making content and getting all your emails and and and I know that you also run some mindfulness programs on the farm and in your business. How have you found the connectivity between the soil life and human life and that mindfulness? Do you do you feel like it’s a paradigm shift to appreciate soil?
Josh: For sure. Yeah. I’ve since moved off the farm, and that’s one thing I miss. And it was like, you know, the days where I would spend in the in the field kind of tending to the gardens, especially when I was by myself, like when I had other people around, you know, we would talk and that was fine. And but when I was by myself in the field, more communicating, like allowing space to communicate with the plants and the birds, you know, you’d notice the birds coming in that hang around because you’d often dig up worms and they’d come over fed . But yeah, just remember, like reflecting on my time alone in those places and in nature and the farms. But some of the stuff that was would come into me. Some of the information that I would receive would be profound, like and just so logical and comments like it would just seem like a super common sense to be able to translate some of that information that I was getting when I was out in nature to like everyday, everyday stuff like you said, you would have seen from some of those videos that I made and some of the things that I like because I would often get a call to like, go, Wow, this is amazing. This insight that I’m having right now. I’ve got to share this. I’ve got to make a little video or write a little post or something. And yeah, like like you said, I think it was just so easily received because for some reason it was just such common sense. And I don’t actually I don’t even take any claim for that, like it was just what was coming through from the information around me. So yeah, and then, you know, to get into. And that’s really when you start to get into, you know, the spiritual side of things, that’s really the essence of of all of that, it’s like a lot of the stuff that we translate and we channel through and we, you know, we communicate often is coming from a different source. You know, like this coming, we get the thoughts coming in and like, where do those thoughts come from? It’s, you know, it’s kind of it’s one of those big mysteries which you can just forever be pondering. I like to just have faith in this kind of greater source, this great energy where we’re where we all come from. So, yeah, and so that it was really nice to be able to spend time on the farm, have those transmissions coming through and then also to channel that back out as like, you know, I’m kind of just like an empty vessel and we’re like, I’ve been meditating for 10 years by myself. So I’ve been able to empty myself a lot during that time. And it’s only been in the last year, which I stepped into that role as like teacher or God. And yeah, it’s really nice to be able to. Yeah, just just like I said, just allow that stuff to come through and just communicate some of the things that that I’m noticing and being aware of in my surroundings. It’s, you know, I like to have that my practice grounded in nature and grounded in the natural world. It just feels really good.
Regen Ray: Yeah, it feels. It feels good hearing it as well. And that’s what I feel like. How do you feel that your time on the farm fast track some of your facilitating and learnings around meditation and so forth was a, you know, did it eventually?
Josh: Yeah, yeah, definitely. One hundred percent. So I was fortunate because the farm actually had a big yoga shala. So like for them that yoga Shala was the heart of the farm. Wow. And so they were really into it as well. And there was a lot of, you know, there’s a little community that was living there and it was really nice and a lot of emphasis on the natural cycles. So when you’re living on the farm like I live there as well, you know, you’re living conditions are pretty basic and you know, you’re paying attention to the moon cycles. You’re paying attention to the sun cycles, your feeling the seasons. So, you know. I was on the farm for like probably eight months before I started, and it was after the eight months then I started teaching and my first meditation class that I taught was at the farm in the shala, so I was blessed to have that opportunity. And then, yeah, that like since then, that was the first or the second or third of January. This year was my first time teaching. And then so what are we now? July, six months in and my. The path that that path for me has just been catapulted forward because of that opportunity that I had to use that space on the farm to teach and also just to learn from nature while I was there, I feel like it’s really just boost me forward. And a lot of like, you know, synchronicities were present when I was spending time on the farm because there’s a strong community and you’re meeting people and there was all these different synchronicities just dropping in consistently. And yeah, definitely, definitely fast tracked my my path, my journey. Yeah, I love that.
Regen Ray: And I think you’re so right. There are so many lessons to be learned from nature. You know, nature is a great teacher. And if we just slow down and you know, like you mentioned before, those times sitting there and seeing with yourself and being doing a task and your hands in the soil and and hearing the birds and, you know, being in tune with, you know, all the rhythms of the Sun and the Moon, you know, they’re all they’re all art forms that are kind of been lost and forgotten about. And I loved seeing that this is becoming more and more of an attention to detail because my grandparents, they planted based on the moon cycles. You know, they. That was something that I just thought was natural and that everyone did. But in a fast moving food system, it’s not feasible. You can’t wait for the Moon to be at a certain point to then go, OK, it’s current, you know, time, you know, so. So I understand how this connectivity with that. Are you hopeful that more and more people, because you’ve also experienced people coming on the farm and learning, you know, how to grow their own food and so forth? Like, is there a bigger movement of people going down that path?
Josh: I think definitely people are aware, like just to go back a second with like, I think that that’s the biggest one of the biggest challenges we’re facing is this ability to actually slow down, you know, like like I’ve since moved back into into a house and I’ve noticed like I’m paying less attention to to to the cycles and the natural rhythms. Last night, I remember looking out my window and going, Oh, it must be a full moon because I can see it was bright outside. But the challenges of modern society are really in that. Like the systems that we’ve built, the places we put ourselves, that we live, just the life and the societal norms and the cultural norms are just not there. And that is it’s so it’s we’re living in such a fast paced environment that you just it’s hard to take that time to slow down. But I really think that one of the most important things we can be doing, especially if you’re a farmer or if you want a regenerative farmer, soil lover and you wanting to be, it’s like slow down massively and spend more time outside and just, you know, those are the two things. And you know, if we start doing that more and we start to prioritize that, then I’m hopeful. And yeah, for sure. And you know it, it’s great to see. I feel like in the last 18 months since COVID, there’s a lot of like common sense dropping in for people and people that are open and receptive to new ideas. And people are kind of gonna go someone’s get weird what’s it like? Where where is the opportunity to change or make better? And yeah, I think it’s just like the challenge is going to be just getting everyone to slow down a few notches and spend more time outside. Yeah, I
Regen Ray: want to start with this conversation
Josh: moment because I know lock down and
Regen Ray: I was literally about to go there and go, say, you know, we asked even in this situation, especially here in Melbourne, where we can’t go outside as much as we’d like to, you know, and what are some of the techniques that people can do or that you found that work to slow down, you know, because the social norms are like that these days where it’s, you know, bigger, better, faster do more. You know, we’ve got access to all this information. And yet we feel like we’re never finished with our to do lists. And what are some of the things that people can do to slow down?
Josh: Yeah. So this is obviously something that’s, you know, I spend a lot of time thinking about and, you know, being a meditation teacher and mindfulness coach like working with clients to help them slow down and just to reset the nervous system. So obviously, I’m always going to suggest like meditation, such as taking 10 or 20 minutes just to sit by yourself and just breathe, just breathe in a healthy way, breathe through the nose, fill up the belly and then breathe out. Exhale like, let go of the shoulders, like let go of tension. Just become like a bit of a ragdoll. Now that’s that’s that’s so good. Another one, like if you struggle with meditation and you, which I know some people do, which is fun, just try to just go sit outside. I do the same thing as you would have to meditate. One of my teachers calls it sit spotting . So you just go outside and you just sit down for 20 minutes like sit down and with no phone, no books, no journal, no computer. Just go and sit down and just observe. It’s been 10 or 20 minutes just doing that. If you if you use meditation is not for you, then maybe just try that, just go and sit down to a safe spot. Or, you know, just find places to go for like long walks and four nights on walk this morning. And actually, what’s been challenging for me is. Walks like because I usually like, go for a run or go to the gym or design high intensity. So I’m challenging myself to slow down by just walking as well. And that’s been pretty cool. It was really nice. It feels like a good thing to be doing. Yeah. Just like carve out that time to be intentional, to take a little bit of time, to just go and sit, do nothing, allow yourself to be bored. It’s so it’s actually so hard to do that because you’re just like, Oh, I could be doing something else. Or then you do that, and then you start to get the insides dropping in. It’s like, you know, you might not. If you do it for 20 or 30 minutes, she’s going to sit out in the park by yourself. You’re going to start thinking and then you’ll start probably going, Oh, and you probably get some good ideas that come through and then you want to action those ideas straightaway because that’s just the conditioning, right? So yes, I challenge people just to go and sit outsde. So so I just sit, sit by yourself and spend a bit of time with just your thoughts and also just notice that your thoughts. Sometimes that can be a defense mechanism for actually feeling stuff. So if you notice your thoughts, then yeah, I wonder if you can just become aware of the thoughts and then just allow them to come through without taking any action on them, just maybe noticing where they’re coming up and why they’re coming up? And maybe is there something beneath that thought that might be needed that might need to be felt? Because, yeah, thinking stuff and feeling stuff is a completely different experience. So, yeah, try to try to, you know, if you can, if you can feel, feel, feel a bit more like, you know, allow yourself to feel.
Regen Ray: Yeah. And I also love the fact that you’ve mentioned that it can be 10 to 20 minutes. I think a lot of people feel like these exercises need to be like a two hour journey sitting on the top of some mountain that has like fog in the background. You know, in this whole Instagram picture, perfect of meditating on the heels can be done in your own backyard, you know? And so we need to bring these ideas down and simplify it a little bit. And I remember a technique that you did with myself where you asked, you know, you ask me, she’s going to sit next to a tree and have like my back kind of next to it and kind of like feel the grounding of the tree and deep into the roots. And I absolutely loved that experience. There’s a park near because I live in the city is Park near me. I went there and sat down and didn’t look weird. I didn’t look out of place or just sitting there next to a tree, which is a very common thing to do, you know? But not enough people are doing it, you know? And so, you know, I wasn’t sitting there with my legs crossed, my arms held up, you know, and some people are doing that. And I saw a beautiful picture on the Instagram the other day where, you know, there was like hundreds of people along the beach just meditating, you know? So wow, imagine the power. I think you that shared it.
Josh: So we had 200 people on the beach in the sunny coast they farm last Sunday, and it’s becoming a thing. Actually, it is like every Sunday we’re doing, it’s 8 to 9:00 in the morning and inside there’s a lot of people from the community turning up, which is awesome. And yeah, it’s just really nice. Nice, positive atmosphere, lots of love and yeah, lots and just joy and ease and contentment, which is really nice. But just on that as well. When you sit under a tree, how good is it just to feel the shade of the tree as well? Like, it’s just such a it’s such a basic thing and it’s just so good.
Regen Ray: And and this is the conversation that needs to change, especially in the farming world, is that like blanket land or blank land, Cleveland is farmable land, and it’s just like there is no shade cover. There is no hydration consideration. There’s no mini ecosystems to keep the mini, you know, the small water cycles going like it’s just such a broken model to think that Cleared land is farmable land. Yet nature has blossomed with no farming techniques of cleared land in in a forest and that for for for a very long time. You know, I want to touch on another basic point that you said because I dig a little bit deeper in this one, but you mentioned that there’s a difference between thinking and feeling. How do you know the difference? Like, like, like, I don’t know. I think I struggle with this sometimes, maybe in some of the soil lovers listening. If they think of an idea, what’s the difference between thinking it and then feeling it?
Josh: That’s a good question, and I’ll answer it as best I can. My understanding is that the thoughts come from the mind. Or like when you think of thoughts, it’s a very heady kind of thing. Whereas whenever I think of the fear of where I think of feeling whenever I’m feeling, it’s generally more of a body experience. So for me, the thinking is a heady mind experience. Whereas feeling is more of a body experience, it’s more of like a coming from the gut or the heart. Yes. So, you know, you’ve got you’ve got there, you’ve got your heart, you’ve got your head here. So this is like the thinking, the thinking area in your heart and your gut is more of the feeling. So like I would maybe invite you just to explore that move your awareness down from the mind into the body a bit more into the heart, into the gut. Give yourself a little bit of time and space. So you thinking something and you guys I can, I’m thinking this, and I wonder what it feels like to see if you can move your awareness from the head down to the body and just give yourself a bit of space. I sit there in silence, and I just feel that would be a practice that you could adopt.
Regen Ray: Yeah, love that. And do you think that some of it is like just natural intuition? Like, are we just born with the ability to kind of, you know, people always say, Oh, I just didn’t feel right or I didn’t feel like doing that, like, is that just our natural ability to protect us or we overthinking sometimes and then maybe pretending to feel things, you know, it is a bit of a clarity around how do you try? You know, sometimes I think people’s guts, make you? Maybe you think things are way too extreme a conventional farmers feel like they need to change, but their balance sheets in their bank loans don’t allow them. So there’s real argument and torn between I want to do this because it feels right for the planet and heal and build a farm of abundance. But my brain says do it this way because it’s the results. So how do you differentiate or how do you move forward when you’re torn between your head and your heart?
Josh: That’s a good question, right? And to be honest, I don’t think it would be responsible for me to answer that question, although I would just invite people to, you know, like, yeah, work on that as a practice like intuition is a is an interesting word. And I kind of saw this kind of definition of it the other day. So tuition is to learn, right? Like, it’s when you’re getting tuition, you’re learning in. It’s like in so intuitions, in a learning. So, yeah, like if it’s someone that wants to tap into their intuition or they’re feeling a bit more, then I would just invite that practice in like just practice it. And then, you know, and it obviously being human is a confusing thing. So when you’re trying to balance out that kind of like the thinking and feeling? Yeah, I would. I would probably say it’s a practice. I probably am not an expert in that either. But I would. I would say, just like anything else, practice makes perfect, right? So yeah, yeah. Practicing, practicing, feeling, practicing, thinking, practicing and bringing that mind and body together in some kind of resonance where you can feel what what decision feels good? And then maybe just like a bit of self-reflection, self inquiry analyze, OK, maybe this is maybe I feel like I really want to do that, but maybe my emotions like a bit scattered at the moment, or maybe my thoughts are a bit scattered at the moment, like neither I can. No, I don’t think that either of them are probably the like. It’s like, go to mine or go to the heart, or it’s probably like it needs to be this beautiful sync synchronization of both. But I’m just kind of like, That’s just what’s coming up for me is as we as we talk about this,
Regen Ray: yeah, no. I definitely think, you know, and being in marketing for a long time, there’s always that kind of left brain, right brain kind of thinking in you by emotionally and then you, you know, you think about it afterwards, logically, go, you know, so I think it’s definitely in our human abilities to use all these parts together and finding that happy medium, I think, is a really good, good spot. And just knowing yourself, you know, being really self-aware and putting some practices around that to kind of go, well, I’m normally a person who does this. I need to put some boundaries or I need to be more mindful about these kind of activities. And yeah, and
Josh: that’s that’s what mindfulness helps with, right? Like, it’s it’s not like a cure to everything, like it’s just it allows you space to reflect and go and make less reactive decisions. So it’s not just like reacting to the thought or reacting to the feeling when you practice. The point of practicing mindfulness is to bring about that stillness and that calmness where you can respond a little better, a little better, not like perfectly, but like it helps.
Regen Ray: Love that. Love that. And it is those baby steps, those little tweaks, because, you know, at the end of the day and we all kind of winging it in this wonderful world of life and we all moving forward and then and we’re doing the best we can. So love that. And that permission to that is OK. You know, that is actually great. That is awesome, you know, and that is where we need to be. Josh, I want to ask your signature question, are you ready to be the voice of our soil? Yeah. Excellent. So if you were our soils, what would you tell the people on the planet?
Josh: love me. I you asked me this before we started, and that was the first and it came out. It’s like, love me, like, you know, and like just to go a bit further than that. It’s like we’re told we’ve talked a lot about feeling and we talked a lot about the heart. And I find it. I always find it really interesting that if you mix up the the letters in Earth and you can create heart and vice versa, heart earth. So like, yeah, like give. And this is, you know, I saw this with Sebastian when he came on to the farm with all his heart and he was like, lovin’ our soils. And it just it just changed the whole environment. And so, yeah, like give give some love to the soil. You know, that’s that would be me if I was the soil, and that’s what came through straightaway. So I’m just going to stick with that. Love the soil
Regen Ray: oyou gave me. You gave me goosebumps, man. You know that realization of Earth and heart, like, sometimes it’s so obviously in front of us. You know, it’s it’s the the um, the the English language in the way that words are derived. You know, it’s so simple that the answers are sometimes so, so in front of our face, you know? And you know, and I love I love having those distinctions. I really appreciate you saying that. And that’s why we call our communities soil lovers it because as much, it is a touchy feely and a little bit deep. We want it to be like that because this is the realization that people need is that, you know, you need we need to love our soils and we need to slow down and observant and listen to him and treat him just as much as a child, you know, and and care for them. So I love that you brought that to that space. You actually got me nearly choking and teary because, you know, I just that that whole, you know, those simplicity frameworks. You know that the the the work, the words are in our face. You know, Earth and heart is just so beautiful. So thank you for sharing that. Josh, if our soil lovers wanted to spend more time with you. How do they how they connect and hanging in your circle?
Josh: Yeah, you can just reach out to me on Facebook or Instagram or go to W WW regenroom dot co and the links are all there. While I just wanted to add one more thing in, while we’re kind of on that, we’re talking about down this road like building a healthy relationship with the soil, but not just like the soil by building healthy relationships with everyone. And you and you and I both know a friend or friend. Michael Warren Roberts is a First Nations fella, and he’s just a legend, and he dedicated his whole life to building relationships. And so your relationships can go further than just the people you’re interacting with, like build some relationships with plants build relationships with the trees, build relationships, the soils of birds like you develop that intimate relationship with the other forms of life. But yeah, thank you so much for having me on Ray and yeah www dot regenroom dot co . I’m sure that you’ll probably send the links out and stuff. But yeah, I love I love. Building relationships is also happy to have a chat with anyone if there’s any questions and you can find them reach out.
Regen Ray: Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Josh, for sharing your wisdom and digging deeper with us today into our soils. And you know, thank you for everything that you’ve been doing. The activated human program that we did together was absolutely life changing for me and kudos for you for putting it together and, you know, and making the magic happen. So with that, soil lovers, I want you to just think about what you can do today, where you can just slow down a little bit and have a bit of a think about what connectivity to nature you can experience today. And it can be in any way that you’re listening to this podcast. And if you want to see the video version of this podcast, head over to www dot Soil Learning Center dot com where you can see our beautiful faces. All right. On that note, get outside. Dig deeper into your soils. lots of love.
Josh: Thanks, Ray.